When I was a kid and cable TV had yet to come to our house I used to scroll the six stations on our TV looking for something interesting to watch at odd hours. Sometimes I came across a faith healing tele-preacher named Ernest Angley who was easily the most entertaining crackpot I’d ever seen. I’d sit mesmerized, watching as people in 50s-era eyeglasses and polyester jumpsuits would come forward, one after another, to be healed. The best were the ones who would get smacked on the forehead and then with knees locked fall backwards into the arms of Angley’s waiting assistants. Even at 12 years old I couldn’t believe any sane person would fall for the act, but he was on week after week so obviously someone bought it. (Further evidence can be found in this article from 1980…in Penthouse? Don’t worry the link goes to someone else’s archive.)
I figured Angley was either long dead or in jail but it ends up he’s in Ohio (surprised?) and is now exporting his faith healing to impoverished countries. Oh, what a wonderful world we live in.
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I would like to clarify my position here.I absolutely believe that Rev.Angley is 199% sincere,and no charlatan.I think he loves God with all of his heart.I believe that people sometimes do recieve miraculous healings at his church.If Rev.Angley is pro-choice,then he must actually believe that life does not begin until birth.I think that he is tragically wrong,if this is indeed what he teaches.Women could take this advice,and make the worst decision of their lives,something that will haunt and torment them forever.The gentleman who has the “Law versus Holiness” website did not seem like “some kind of nut” to me.he seemed very kind and sincere.He is not against Rev.Angley at all,he just wants him to realize how wrong this doctrine is.
To Alease Davis,
First of all, Ernest Angley has never condoned abortion, so why listen to that guy who has that weird website Law vs…
You obviously have never seen his Youtube postings or you’d agree that he is a bit off mentally. I’m not making fun of him, but the ‘Law vs holiness’ dude is clearly fanatical and obsessive. I just heard Angley speak about how horrible it would have been if his wife had been aborted by her mother. The father wanted her to have an abortion and she refused, and as Angley put it “she was filled with the Holy Ghost and would never abort the child”. So, a few people are mixed up on what Angley believes because they don’t actually listen to his sermons or read all his books. How can anyone think they really know someone and dare to comment without truly studying a person’s life, what they teach and what they write?
To think that someone like you that attends Ernest Angley’s Ministry and do not even know what he preaches. I can tell that you attend his minitry because he said that about 2 weeks ago. I also want to thank you for calling me names, because that is the same thing the people in Jesus day did to him. You remind me of a child that attends school and does not listen to the subject being taught. Because if you read the website lawversusholiness.com it said to call the prayer line at 3309295010 and ask the prayer consellors if you did not beleive me !
Now for those reading this discussion between the 2 of us, the ebook at http://www.teamproblem.com talks about people following after Ernest W. Angley instead of the Holy Spirit. Just like this guy does.
The free e-book is called “Who or What do you support”
Ernest Angley preaches that the child does not start breathing until it come from the womb. So as far as what angley preach 2-3 week ago, it is a good thing that his mother in law did not have a preacher like Ernest that supports abortion or Ester Angley (Angel) would not have been born.
So now if you want to call me any more names for teaching the truth, then by all means fill free.
Edward http://www.lawversusholiness.com
I can’t believe this guy is still on the telly. I used to watch him back in the day after a hard nights partying in college. H hasn’t improved any either.
To Alease Davis,
It sure is nice to know that someone like you would not take my word for the abortion that ernest angley teaches. That you called the prayer line at 330-929-5010 and ask them for yourself. That sure is different than the person that is calling me names. You can tell that he did not call and ask the prayer line consellors. I hope that you had a chance to down load the e-book called who or what do you support at http://www.teamproblems.com
Take care and god bless !
Edward at info@lawversusholiness.com
What happen to everyone out there ?
We were having a discussion and everyone guit, did i affend you with the truth ?
Do you really beleive that you will be blessed by God if you support a TV station like WBNX, with their occultic shows ?
Thank you and God Bless Always !
Edward
The Man is the biggest fraud ever. God apparently only heals people who can’t SEE just enough for their GLASSES to work.
Nice jet black Toupee Earnest… If you or your god could Grow hair there would be a line 900 miles long.
I want to make something clear. I have never heard Ernest Angley say that abortion is not a sin. I came across a website that says that he teaches that. I was trying to find out the truth. If Rev.Angley does not say abortion is not a sin,then I apologize for bringing it up. If he does say that,then he is tragically wrong. I do know that he teaches that life begins at birth,not at conception. I do not want to slander this man of God.
Im telling you I have never been to a service of his but it seems like this man is the real deal. He has never been investigated. I have read his books and they seem to hook up with scripture and he never begs for money. He is so weird to some he has to be real, and if you ask anyone he lives in the SAME house no mansion, no jets, and no feel good gospel. He is human like everyone else and I have to say the fact that he has lasted this long and has “miracle crusades” says something. There is nothing wrong with him wearing a toupee he has done that for years. He is truly a servant of God! Joyce Meyer Ministries gives a lot to people overseas. For those who dont believe in the Lord woe to you, this man is truly a servant and not a ganster for the money!
It is very true, unfortunately, that Ernest Angley and all his true followers do indeed believe that abortion is not a sin. How do I know? My first cousin is Chris Machamer, one of Ernest Angley’s assistant pastors, if you would. Did he tell me? No. My cousin’s (I will call them “D” and “L”) who are devout members of Grace Cathedral, and know Ernest personally, told me. I have been to Ernest Angley’s church… ofcourse, many of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are members. For several years I was torn between what I believe to be true and what they teach concerning living a sin free life. Last year I was at a breaking point in my life… willing to be connected to family, and desperate for a healing. I agreed to go to Grace Cathedral with my cousin “D” on a Friday. The Thursday before, “D” and I went out to eat with our other cousin “L” (Member of Grace Cathedral). During conversation “D” mentioned several miscarriages she had. I tried to encourage her by reminding her that all those babies are in heaven. Her reaction was odd, so I said, “You believe your babies are in heaven, right?” This is how I found out that Ernest teaches that abortion is not a sin. “D” and “L” told me that Ernest Angley teaches that abortion is not a sin based on Genesis 2:7, “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” This is the only scripture Ernest bases his belief in abortion on. There are so many scriptures that teach that abortion is murder and certainly a sin! Ernest teaches that until an unborn baby breathes oxygen into his lungs, the child is not a living soul! After hearing this I was absolutely shocked and horrified, not to mention disgusted. My cousin “L” noticed my reaction, and insisted that Ernest “doesn’t preach this from the pulpit!” Just behind closed doors. OFCOURSE HE DOESN’T PREACH THIS FROM THE PULPIT!! IF HE DID SO MANY OF THE CHRISTIANS THAT SEND HIM MONEY WOULD STOP IF THEY KNEW HE WAS PRO-CHOICE! HE’D LOOSE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY! Needless to say I did not go to Grace Cathedral that Friday and haven’t talked to my cousins since. Whatever kind of man he was for God, he is no more. Whoever can claim to be a servant of a God of Love, and teach others that it is okay to murder and destroy life in the womb is not a servant of the LORD GOD who said of Jesus Christ in Matthew 12:20 “A bruised reed shall He not break, and a smoking flax shall He not quench till He send forth judgement unto victory.”
Judgement will not come to those who do not follow or believe in Angley, but to those who claim to be Christians and murder their children and teach others to do so also.
i will be the little devil with the pitch fork sticking it up in angley’s fat ass
Nineteen sixty-four was a pivotal year for my family. My grandfather died that year and his death unleashed a chain of events that changed all our lives forever.
My grandparents were divorced, an uncommon thing in the Fifties. Even more uncommon, at least in our world, was the reason for the divorce. It was a shameful affair, made even more shameful by the fact that my grandmother’s lover was her husband’s cousin. A “fallen woman” she avoided churches and raised her children without much religion.
My mother happily converted to Catholicism when she married my father and devoted herself to raising a nice Catholic family. We never missed Sunday Mass, and we all received the Sacraments and a good parochial school education. As a child I saw only two options for my future, become a nun or raise a nice Catholic family. Either one was fine with me. All that changed when Grandma got religion.
It’s my opinion that a guilty conscience drove her to “get saved” after Grandpa’s death. This is a woman who had always looked down on “hillbillies” and now she was joining a church full of them, Grace Cathedral. And she wanted all of her children and grandchildren to join as well. Most of her daughters accomodated her but my folks were not interested in converting, and so began Grandma’s Crusade. She made it her mission in life to lead us all to the altar at Grace Cathedral.
She was relentless in her efforts to ‘expose’ the Catholic Church. When my parents weren’t around she read to us from thick texts about the Great Inquisition and the sinful Popes who had sex with little boys. She had a never-ending supply of anti-Catholic literature from Grace Cathedral and she used it to create doubt and confusion at a time when we could least afford either. She managed to rob us of our faith just when we needed it most.
While we were still grieving for our Grandfather, our Father died. We were devastated but things couldn’t have gone better for Grandma’s Crusade. “The Lord” had removed the major obstacle to our salvation, my Father. That’s how she saw it and she told us so as she dragged us one by one to Grace Cathedral, in spite of my Mother’s objections. There were bloody battles and a rift was created in my family that only widens with time.
I never did become a nun or raise that nice Catholic family. I spent the next few decades trying to find “the truth”, studying world religions and ancient scriptures until I came to the conclusion that god is not a proper noun and no one owns the truth. In the meantime I played “saint or sinner” till I tired of both extremes. I partied too much when I was a sinner and married badly when I was a saint. Neither extreme worked for me.
My family is divided. The believers have nothing to do with us non-believers, nothing could bring us together again. And even though my Grandmother is long gone I wonder still how different all our lives might have been if that old woman had been able to forgive herself.
I beg to differ, I know someone who was ordered by Ernest Angeley to have an abortion or leave the church. The “elite” members of the church are not allowed to have children so that they can devote their lives to “god’s work”, which translates as running his huge operation as ‘volunteers’. Those members who travel abroad on ‘missions’ even have to pay to travel on the church jet!
Ernest sincerely believes that he is “Elijah’ returned. Not only that, he has declared that he is Moses too! He’s very kindly and sincerely nuts. And I can’t help but wonder what will happen to all his followers when he finally dies instead of going in the “Rapture”.
I posted that blog in April. I stand by what I said. If expressing a belief in something sends friends or family running, then so be it. Our family certainly is divided… but plenty of believers had a lot to do w/ you, Carole. You are the one hitting all the delete buttons, not us. And as for Leslie Ann… I obviously offended her by giving my opinion of the Reverend, and that’s all it takes to loose a family member of Grace Cathedral… which proves a lot. So, thanks for your hand in the family division.
Jessica’s response had nothing to do with what I wrote here. Perhaps that’s because Jessica wasn’t even born yet when all of this happened. She’s reacting the the mistaken belief that I deleted her from my Facebook friends list. She can’t help it, such drama is typical in the house that Grandma built.
If this blog had delete buttons I would not only have deleted my original post from April, but the one I wrote in response to Carole’s. First in response to my original post: I stand corrected to a point. I’ve recently learned that the issue is not whether or not abortion is a sin, but when life begins: In the womb or outside of it. He doesn’t impose his beliefs on the members, he leaves it up to them to decide when life begins. Just as my cousins never tried to impose their beliefs on me. They are entitled to their opinion as much as I am my own. I personally will always believe that life begins in the womb, thus abortion is a sin. I will always stand by that. But, for my judgment against Ernest Angley and his church members I was wrong. For what I said about Ernest not preaching it from the pulpit b/c he would loose money… I was WRONG. I am wrong for a lot of things. God will judge us all, but He will not condemn us all. I apologize now to Ernest Angley, to his members and to my cousins. I never stopped loving my cousins, but w/ the deep hatred I held for abortion and the fact that I thought by them it was ok… I just never picked up the phone, but neither did they so it was no big deal. I figured they’d have nothing to do w/ me if I didn’t want to go their church, I’ve come to find out that I was wrong.
Now concerning my post in response to Carole… again, I stand corrected. Really what I wrote had noting to do w/ her post. I was reacting to rejection and i thought it all derived from my original post in April, which of course made no sense to me at all and of course I don’t think it had anything to do w/ it at all. So I stand corrected on all this and really confused!
I also wish there was a delete button on this site (I’ve looked many times since my original post) but then I thought I was posting anonymously. My mistake.
Threw the God’s mercy Ernest Angly has been blessed to pass on the miracles done by God to people and for those who do not believe may the Lord open their eyes so that they can see the light of the Lord. The Lord is great at all times and he does good things for us.
Let the man of God do all he can to serve God. For those who think they are perfect at criticism may the Lord show them the right direction of life.
People that mock the Gospel will be judged heavily one day. God is showing his grace for this age and than judgment will come, Just as it did in the days of Noah.
Preaching of the gospel is foolishness, to them that don’t believe. Says the Bible.
ENERSTY IS THE FUTURE ;I’M CONFUSED WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ARE COMMENTING.MY THE GOOD LORD BLEESS HIM TO CONTINUE ON WITH HIS HEALING MINISTRY
I’ve known the Lord for over 35 years and am far, far from perfect. I do know He loves me, protects and forgives me.
I am so very sick and tired of “so called Christians” telling others that they will be damned and go to hell because they speak against the Ernest Angleys of the world . . . WAKE UP and try loving your neighbor and praying for them instead of idolizing these preachers!!!!! The Lord didn’t even have shoes or a place to lay his head or food . . . why do evangelists think they deserve more????? High salaries . . . free homes and private jets . . . how vial!!!
ALSO, tithing is not a commandment of the Lord, it is simply an act of trust. Jesus told us to tithe and trust he will return 100 fold . . . NO WHERE . . . NO WHERE, does the Lord ever, ever say we have to tithe . . . NO WHERE. And if we choose to exercise the FAITH to tithe . . . it does not have to go to a CHURCH . . . it can go to the hungry, orphans, St. Jude’s . . . other organizations. . . .GET IT RIGHT! STOP DEFENDING THESE INDIVIDUALS AND CURSING THOSE WHO DO NOT . . . THIS IS NOT WHAT GOD IS ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!!!
A source close to the Ernest Angley Ministries reports that Angley wears no underwear beneath his Sears & Roebuck suit because: “they impede Gods healing power”.
God is pooring out his last book of judgement through Ernest Angley. He is almost done with it, then he will make it into a motion picture. This will be God’s final warning to the world before the rapture takes place. Ernest Angley has been called away by God to finish this novel and is not to preach until it is done. I pray everyone will reach this book, I believe it will be titled Armegendon. May God stir all your hearts, God bless.
well saying that you’ll go to hell for not marrying someone from the church is kind of strange.. it’s all a cult. and all of these so called ‘miracles’ are actually him hypnotizing people. check out his fraud. i hired a private investigator and he told me all the frauds and things that nobody even knows he has done. it’s horrible. i don’t know how he sleeps with all this guilt.
I went to his church and he asked for money like 6 times. He needs to chill out. I wanna go back to his church and fake something… say that i have cancer and see what he does. or just yell he’s a fraud. but i really don’t want him to kill me. or his evil minions
they say the man of god has no grey hair, but why does he wear a wig?
Not really sure if anyone else looks at this anymore, but if they do, Alease Davis, to answer your question:
I am former member of the church and was there MANY years. I am not going to go into personal information about myself because I don’t wish for others to know who I am because even once you are not there for a long time people speak unkindly about you and I don’t need it in my life. Anyhow, yes, Ernest Angley is pro-abortion. He has advised NUMEROUS young girls, both married and unmarried to abort their unborn children. More so, he advises all men getting married to have a vasectomy. This is well known throughout the church so anyone who denies it is either A) Lying to protect Ernest’s “good name” B)Was married before coming to the church or C)Not married and has not had the opportunity to experience such demands. And by demands I mean HIGHLY encouraged, looked down upon if you don’t follow. Nothing will be done to you, but you are aware that you are now on the bad side and anything you do later in life he will remind you that you didn’t listen to what “god” said and therefore “God” is not helping you now. For years I believed him, that abortion was okay because sometimes pregnancy happens unexpectedly and the child is not a soul until they breathe their first breath. But if a child does not breathe, what do they need the oxygen provided to them through the umbilical cord for? They are not breathing through their lungs but their body still needs oxygen to survive, that means they are a living person. Also, isn’t it God’s word that He knew us before we were born, that while we were formed in our mother’s womb He knew us? We were important to Him before we could breathe through our lungs. I am so thankful that I was no longer a part of his church before he could have advised me to abort my own child!
I could go into MANY things that were the cause of my leaving this church but I will not because it is better to just focus on God. This is not a man that any should hold on a pedestal. He has done things that God would not condone and will continue to do them as long as he has a group of people willing to follow him. But realistically, there is no one on this earth that should be on a pedestal. That is the most important thing that Jesus could have taught us. We are human, we seek to have someone greater than us, we have sought that since the beginning of time. The Israelite people wanted a King, they wanted a ruler, we still today look to put someone over us. Only Jesus should be in that position in our lives. Ernest Angley has set himself up to be that person to his congregation and that in and of itself is wrong.
People, don’t argue about whether this MAN is right or wrong, seek God for yourself (He gave you the bible and that is all we NEED) and find a church where you don’t have to doubt every word that the minister says. I have found that. Yes, I still make sure that I am reading the Bible to find out what God says on each matter, but I don’t have that feeling that I had at every service of Ernest Angley’s, that I am being told things that do not line up with God REALLY said, that a man is deciding what I should believe. The most important thing I have learned from my years at his church is that I need to go to God with my problems, concerns and worries and that I should NEVER let a man be my guide. I didn’t learn this from him either, I learned it from leaving. He would have you believe that if he doesn’t say it, it’s not so and that if you don’t follow exactly what he does say when he mettles in your life then you are not right with God. Leave it be people, he will die soon enough and hopefully the ministry will die along with him, but regardless, he does not matter. God matters and your walk with God is the only one that will be judged when you stand before your maker. Don’t look to find that right televangelist, chances are good that there are none that are absolutely right…when men encounter the ability to make money by manipulating them, no matter how good that person started out that ability will corrupt them to some extent. Look to make sure that your life is what God would have it be on a daily basis and leave all these ministers to fend for themselves, both spiritually and financially!
One more thing I meant to say is this: Yes, miracles do take place there. I have received some and have witnessed many others that have been received. However, there are times they do not happen. Did I ever believe that that meant the ones that were received aren’t real? No, absolutely not. However, it is not because of a man, it is because of God. (and I will say that Ernest Angley never claims the rights to these miracles, although he does put some odd conditions on them at times) However, I believe that God is a just God and if He chooses to heal that is HIS choice alone. If He chooses not to heal that is also his choice. Also, I believe that if someone meets Him in faith and He chooses to heal them He is not going to let a man get in his way. So, God would not withhold healing from people even if Ernest was not right, therefore, the fact that miracles take place there does not prove that everything he does is of God. A miracle is between a person and their God. God needs no middleman, it’s unfortunate that we humans feel we do sometimes! When I was preparing to leave that church someone I know asked me how I would feel if I got sick and couldn’t come there to get a miracle. I told her I would talk to God about my healing just as I should. That is the mindset of the people that attend there, that you cannot be healed without this man. How very sad.
your story is siply a lie!!! Just stop deceiving youself.
Why would doctors want to remove an eye because it is “going blind”? Have you ever heard of blind people whose eyes are removed because they are blind? You were not even blind yet …you were still “going blind” (whatever that means).
So why don´t you stop lying…you gullible piece of trash!
This preacher could not even save his own wife from colitis.
how can you believe in a man who preaches about a free sin state
stop lying
When EA pushes people after healing them he is useing martial arts techniques and pressure points to make the subject/healed feel as if it is something else/ holy spirit. I am a christian, but not a member of the “honest angels” cult
THERE’S a war in heaven right now and it is still raging on. Your not focusing on the straight and narrow gate, the eye of the needle. to get through that crawl space of a gate you for to unload all you baggage. If Ernest Angley, or Swaggart or any other ministry need to be cast into THE DEVIL’S HE’LL FIRE, GOD will not be slack concerning His promises. YOU let ALMIGHTY GOD DO HIS JOB, and you focus on making it into heeven. THE DEVIL HAS SET A TRAP OVER THE CENTURIES TO STEAL YOUR SOUL, EVEN before you die. Luke 8:29.
Forgive typos, this smart phone tries to change my typed words.
Free computerized bible, http://www.e-sword.net
Does anyone know how his wife died at the age of 49?
http://www.ohio.com/news/local/ernest-angley-s-grace-cathedral-rocked-by-accusations-involving-abortions-and-vasectomies-1.531094